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in chief barack obama has nominated charles chuck hagel for secretary of defense. hagel testified before the senate armed services committed tee this week. is senator john mccain grilling hagel about hagel's opposition to the surge in iraq in 2007. >> were you correct in your judgment. >> i would defer that to history. >> when you were right or wrong about the surge. >> i'll explain why i played those comments. >> i want to know if you were right or wrong. that is a direct question. i expect a direct answer. >> senator hagel explained he opposed the surge in iraq because it cost nearly 1200 american lives. >> i saw the consequences and the suffering and the horror of war. so i did question a surge. i always ask the question, is this going to be worth the sacrifice? because there will be sacrifice. >> that was hagel's emphasis on the cost factor. my question is this. his emphasis on the cost factor in military decisions, does it serve as a dodge to senator mccain's bullet? or did he mean this completely from the heart? and if he did, isn't he exactly the man we want over at the department
talk about other issues in the news. let's get your take. chuck hagel, is he going to make it through? >> my guess is he probably will. tavis: will you vote for him? >> not sure sure. i have met him for many years. i am concerned about his feeling about women in general, about gays in the military as well. he reassured me his views have evolved and change, and that is good, but i have concerns. tavis: immigration, the president has given his speech on it. the senate has come forth with its proposal. the ultimate question is whether or not you expect we will see meaningful immigration reform. again tavis: i would -- >> i would say we have a reasonable shot to do that. the hispanic community was involved in obama's reelection. democrats know that. republicans are nervous about their political future with regards to the hispanic community, so i think in terms of public support there is an understanding it was simply unfair that 11 million people continue to live in the dark, not having legal rights. there has to be a path toward citizenship. my guess is that will probably happen. tavis:
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